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Несколько минут назад был взрыв на территории Иерусалимского универа (hар а-Цофим)

http://www.sedmoykanal.com/news.php3?id=24268

Кофетерий был полный, не смотря на хофеш. Кофетерий "Франк-Сенатра" называется.

Сообщают о 30 пострадавших.

70 раненых, минимум 7 покойников - пока...

Рефуа шлема всем, кто выживет, семьям погибших - соболезнования... Всё как обычно...

ЭЛОКАЙ, АД МАТАЙ?!?!?!

Сообщается, что "Хамас" взял на себя ответственность за теракт. Не то 6, не то 7 убиты, много раненых, 14-в тяжелом состоянии. Зла не хватает-и смайликов тоже.

Ицик, меня настолько не ихпёт, кто именно взял ответственность за терракт... Мне гораздо более интересно, способно ли это государство выполнять свои прямые функции, или кнессет служит единственно для личного обогащения своих членов (да-да, иначе их и не назвать...). Пора создавать мединат Иегуда!!!!!!!!!!!

Есть даже такой сайт - "Мединат Иеhуда".

У меня сейчас там, в Университете, находится очень близкий родственник. Где-нибудь вывешены списки погибших и раненых? Раненым - выздоровления, соболезнования родственникам погибших ...

ЗеевГ., мне очень жаль держать Вас в напряжении, но списки официально будут ближе к ночи... Попробуйте позвонить по телефонам:
021061255 - мэрия Иерусалима,
021255122 - Хадасса Эйн-Карем,
021255121 - Хадасса хар га-Цофим.

Рабби Нахман хах омер: асур лехитъяэш (с)

http://zahav.msn.co.il/webinclude/redir.asp?STARTID=NIP_01&URL=http%3A//glz.msn.co.il/glz/news/74417E29F1BE48BF951151A4FE3D2240.htm

ЗеевГ, посмотрите по ссылке, там в конце есть телефоны больниц, там можете узнать, не попал ли туда ваш знакомый.

Это не знакомый, это родственник - брат жены, он там сейчас учится ...

За телефоны спасибо, пошел звонить. Когда обнародуют имена погибших, на любом языке, просьба сообщить в эту тему.

Нет слов, нет слов, чтобы отправить куда подальше наши Кнессет и правительство, избранные еще при Бараке, -- за то, что допускают такое!
Когда я слышал о "послаблениях" и более того -- о "размораживании" денег для бандитов, у меня от негодования прямо голова болела! Вот -- результат!
Ни один нормальный человек, политик, деятель не цацкается с подобными подонками -- уничтожать, уничтожать и еще раз уничтожать!!!

Всем родным и знакомым погибших -- глубокие соболезнования, всем раненым -- скорейшего и полнейшего выздоровления!

ЗеэвГ, от всей души желаю, чтоб ваш родственник оказался невредимым.

Смерть арабам -- подонкам террористам!

Мои соболезнования.

http://ntvru.com/world/31Jul2002/blast2.html

Интересно, где находились в момент взрыва профессора Еврейского университета Циммерман, Штернхаль и Ко ?

Zahava,в почтовый ящик загляни пожалуйста.

Cоболезнования.

Прицельно бьют, твари

Мои соболезнования...

Сначала гадину подкормили...

Мои соболезнования семьям погибших.

Раненым скорейшего выздоровления.

Тварей уничтожить

Мои искренние соболезнования всем, кто в этом нуждаетсяя и пожелания скорейшего выздоровления всем, кто пострадал.
У меня весь вечер звонит телефон - друзья беспокоятся, зная, что все мои - в Иерусалиме и дочь учится как раз в иерусалимском университете.

Соболезнования

Нет слoв...

Господи, сколько же можно, терпеть всё это?
То, что нас не любят в какой-то Европе - плевать. Но нас ещё и не уважают - за то, что не можем защититься от этих озверевших подонков.

Мои соболезнования

Кто-то просил имена погибших, если не ошибаюсь?

Обнародованы имена 6 из 7 погибших
Дженис Куртер Юнит, 37, Нью-Йорк
Беньямин Блюштейн, 25, гр. США, житель Иерусалима
Давид Глиц, 24, гр.США и Франции, житель Иерусалима
Марла Бенет, 24, США
Лавина Шапира, 53, Иерусалим
Давид Ледовски, 29, Иерусалим

Правительство обещало, что реакция будет жёсткой.
Надеюсь, что это мигня и они не это имели в виду.

Из письма очевидца:

Моей теще позвонил мой свояк - он был там ... 8 авг. приедет - расскажет, как все было ...

/Извините за английский/

Reaction of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem to the terror attack at its Mount Scopus campus

July 31, 2002

The forces of evil have struck yet again. For them, the entire State of Israel, its citizens, and its institutions are legitimate targets - this time, however, the target was chosen with much care. The attack required planning and determination in order to overcome the many layers of security and strike at the very heart of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. This was not just an attack on our institution; it was an attack on a symbol of the rebirth of Israel in its own land, on a modern state that is rooted in tradition but embraces openess. This attack was perpetrated against a university founded upon the principles of pluralism and tolerance, a university that seeks to understand the world in which we live and that - despite the wave of terror and murder we are experiencing - aspires to promote peace and understanding with its neighbors in this region. The aim of the terrorists responsible for the horrific scene that I witnessed several minutes after the explosion was to bring an end to those values that the Hebrew University embraces and embodies - understanding, tolerance, and the quest for peace. The victims include many members of the University community - students, teachers, employees, and visitors from all parts of the world. They are Jews and Arabs, and citizens of the US, Korea, France, Italy, and other countries. This attack is a crime not only against Israel or the Jewish people; it is a crime against the free and enlightened world. As I stood facing the destruction, the pools of blood and the wounded, I was forced to ask myself how we can continue in our research, teaching and other vibrant activity while we mourn for the victims. The answer is clear and it is expressed by the Hebrew word davka, 'despite everything'. The perpetrators of such heinous acts may kill those dear to us, but they cannot destroy our vision and our determination to continue to create a society that is based on reason and mutual understanding, and to work as a community of researchers and students which welcomes Israelis of all backgrounds and guests from all over the world. Above all, we will not let them kill our aspirations for peace.

Professor Menachem Magidor
President, Hebrew University of Jerusalem

А вот еще одно мнение профессора Иерусалимского университета

Проф. Мегидор натурально не понимает, как поднялась рука арабского брата на столь про-палестинское учреждение? Пусть почитает эту статью (пардон, что без перевода):

Shell shock in academia,
By GABRIEL DANZIG. Jerusalem Post, Aug. 2, 2002

An attack on Hebrew University is like an attack on a meeting of Peace Now. While one cannot judge an entire academic institution by the actions and words of a vocal minority, professors at Hebrew University have led in championing the Palestinian cause, sometimes crossing serious red lines.

The scandal concerning lecturers who refused to grant extensions to IDFsolders serving in Israel's war against terrorism is well known. So too is the support of some of its professors for soldiers who refuse to serve in this vital and actually heroic effort. The alumni journal of the university went so far as to print an article concerning well-known alumni including Ehud Barak (accompanied by a youthful photograph) just on the eve of his election. It will be remembered that Barak was the prime minister who offered sweeping and unrealistic concessions to a Palestinian state only to have his offer flatly rejected by Yasser Arafat.

The historical stance of the Hebrew University has been documented in a book by Shalem Center president Dr. Yoram Hazony entitled The Jewish State: The Struggle for Israel's Soul, which shows how deeply entrenched are the institution's negative attitudes toward Jewish nationalism.

Indeed, the Hebrew University has been of great service to the Palestinians. It has opened its doors to Palestinian students and teachers, and has allowed its campus to be used for anti-Israeli protests. Why on earth would a Palestinian target this particular institution for a bombing?

One should not dismiss the possibility that the bombings are completely
indiscriminate. That is not a reassuring thought. It implies that the
Palestinian bombers are not opposed to this or that Israeli policy, nor
seeking to influence Israeli attitudes, but are solely interested in
frightening and killing as many Jews of all kinds as possible. Like the
German Nazis, these Palestinians may simply object to the very presence of
Jews in what they see as their land. For it is a misnomer to refer to
their violence as directed against Israel or Israelis: Palestinians only
target Jewish Israelis Arab Israelis killed by Palestinian bombings are
only collateral damage.

One might support the "indiscriminate" theory by pointing out that
Palestinian leaders frequently say that they see no difference between
right-wing leaders such as Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and former prime
minister Binyamin Netanyahu and left-wing leaders, such as Foreign
Minister Shimon Peres and former prime minister Ehud Barak.

But there is also good reason to see the bombing of the Hebrew University
as a deliberately chosen target. It has recently come to the fore that
many Palestinians bear a special hatred for the Israeli Left. It is not
merely that they see leftists as threatening to initiate a period of
peace, to which they are opposed. That threat has long since faded. What
is at first sight perplexing is that there are genuine feelings of hatred
toward these decent and sincere if misguided lovers of peace.

The reason is not hard to find. The Left continually seeks to transcend
the national struggle and to appeal to the Palestinians on higher
humanitarian grounds. This is the classic modernist position, which has
been steadily eroded by identity politics over the past 20 or 30 years.
The appeal to universal humanitarian concerns is seen by some as a subtle
attempt to reimpose a Western, imperialistic agenda on independent and
non-Western cultures. The so-called universal humanistic values that the
West holds dear are seen in some quarters as a rhetorical device aiming to
prevent supposedly oppressed peoples and cultures from asserting
themselves violently.

Moreover, while the Right might be hostile to the Palestinian cause, the
Left can be seen as insulting to it, implicitly denying that nationalism
of any sort is anything worth fighting for. A rightist is a comprehensible
enemy, someone with his or her feet on the floor, someone who acknowledges
and accepts the fact that two nations are engaged in a struggle the one
seeking survival and security (Israel), the other seeking to block that
move.

A leftist refuses to see things in such simplistic, black-and-white terms.
He looks down on such struggles as childish. But when the children are
playing with guns, that is not a very prudent way to speak about them.

Whatever the motivation, the attack on Hebrew University is yet another revolting example of the complete moral depravity of the popular leaders of the Palestinian national movement. Unlike Israeli "crimes," which usually involve nothing more than permitting Jewish people to exercise their right to build homes on unoccupied land in the Judean and Samarian hills, Palestinians crimes are something else entirely. They are systematic genocidal attacks against Israeli and non-Israeli Jews day in and day out.

Every resource that comes into Palestinian hands is somehow channeled into this life-destroying effort. Gaining control over significant areas of the West Bank was a great bonanza for these criminals, and a great step forward on the path to exterminating the Jewish inhabitants of Israel. Does anyone in the world still think that a Palestinian state would willingly refrain from even greater heights of murder?

The writer is a classicist at Bar-Ilan University, specializing in political thought.