observer писал(а):Misha Botvinik
Человек занимается банальной рекламой. Вам интересно видеть в Актуалиях рекламу?
observer,
Это не реклама, а информация. Менса - не коммерческое предприятие, а клуб, предназначенный для общения.
Модератор: Zakan
observer писал(а):Misha Botvinik
Человек занимается банальной рекламой. Вам интересно видеть в Актуалиях рекламу?
-Tom- писал(а):observer, ну бээмет 8) прямо, все умники ринутся и будут проходить экзамен и еще платит чтобы записатся в "элитный клуб самых интелектуальных", само это словосочетание уже многих развеселит, по крайне мере тех умников которых я знаю точно повеселит.
Пусть заработают ребята несколько сотен шекелей, может сайт исправят 8)
Метида писал(а):Менса - не коммерческое предприятие, а клуб, предназначенный для общения.
Метида писал(а):
observer,
Как ты думаешь, все ли участники форума хорошо поняли твой пост про интересные коды? Особенно те, кто никогда не изучал программирование?
Метида писал(а):Оставим специальные знания.
Люди с очень высоким интеллектом часто жалуются, что окружающие их просто не понимают. К большинству членов Менсы это конечно же не относится, потому что IQ 148 не бог весть какой интеллект. Тем не менее всегда приятно пообщаться с интересными, культурными и воспитанными людьми, особенно когда их много сразу.
William Poundstone писал(а):The Mensa Paradox
One unexpected illustration of the fallibility of intelligence testing is due to Mensa. The club, founded in Britain in 1946, requires that applicants supply signed and notarized (!) proof that they have scored in the top 2 percent on the Stanford-Binet or other approved intelligence tests. Yet you often hear of a Mensa paradox. This is the observation that many of the club's brainy members are, well, average people in average jobs.
"There are Mensans on welfare and Mensans who are millionaires," reports the club's website. "Mensa has professors and truck drivers, scientists and firefighters, computer programmers and fanners, artists, military people, musicians, laborers, police officers, glassblowers...."
Sneering at the middling success of some Mensa members has become a diché of almost any magazine piece on the society. If these people are so smart, why aren't they rich, or famous, or Nobel-prize winners, or simply more successful at something than they are?
The suggestion that many high-IQ people are losers is as old as IQ testing. Lewis Terman attempted to challenge it by organizing a famous study of 1,528 high-IQ children. He hoped to show that such kids were not the "freaks" that some thought and would prove to be natural leaders later in life. Eighty years later, Terman's study is still going on. His successors at Stanford have followed Terman's "whiz kids" throughout life and have vowed to continue until the last one drops dead.
The high-IQ subjects ranged from a pool cleaner and a convicted forger to doctors, lawyers, and the creator of TVs I Love Lucy (Jess Oppenheimer). Ironically, the young William Shockley was tested for Terman's study but didn't score high enough to make the cut Oh, well — none of those who did have won a Nobel prize.
I suppose the Mensa paradox says more about our society's overweening emphasis on intelligence than about high-IQ people themselves. From Lewis Terman to Bill Gates, people have been trying to drum into all of us the importance of intelligence. It's hard not to take some delight in seeing this credo subverted. "Mensa member mucks up," ran one recent headline in the London Independent. "A Mensa member who turned burglar was caught when he left a trail of muddy footprints to his own front door."
A 1968 study tried to use Terman's group to investigate why so many intelligent people aren't successes. Melita Oden, an associate of Terman's, identified the 100 "least successful" of Terman's now-aging prodigies and compared them to the 100 "most successful." Okay, "success" is even more subjective than "intelligence." Oden defined it the way that most prospective in-laws might: The successful ones were those who used their intellectual abilities in their jobs to achieve something of broadly recognized-value (developing a classic sitcom, say). The least successful were those whose jobs did not make use of the intellectual talent they possessed (like cleaning pools). Oden found no significant IQ differences between the successes and failures in this already high-IQ group. The distinguishing qualities were early parental encouragement and factors such as confidence and persistence.
This finding is hardly more than common sense. It nonetheless goes some way toward explaining the Mensa paradox. It suggests that motivational factors are something distinct from intelligence. You can have one, the other, both, or neither. The PowerPoint slide of this would be two overlapping circles (or really, two fuzzy overlapping circles). One circle represents the intelligent people. Another circle is the confident, persistent, motivated people. "Successful" people mostly fall in the area where the two circles overlap.
observer писал(а):Членство в клубе и вступительный экзамен стоят денег. Это совсем не пожертвования.
observer писал(а):Люди с очень высоким интеллектом не обязательно интересны, культурны, воспитаны и т.д. и т.п. Вот что о вас пишут:William Poundstone писал(а):The Mensa Paradox
One unexpected illustration of the fallibility of intelligence testing is due to Mensa. The club, founded in Britain in 1946, requires that applicants supply signed and notarized (!) proof that they have scored in the top 2 percent on the Stanford-Binet or other approved intelligence tests. Yet you often hear of a Mensa paradox. This is the observation that many of the club's brainy members are, well, average people in average jobs.
"There are Mensans on welfare and Mensans who are millionaires," reports the club's website. "Mensa has professors and truck drivers, scientists and firefighters, computer programmers and fanners, artists, military people, musicians, laborers, police officers, glassblowers...."
Sneering at the middling success of some Mensa members has become a diché of almost any magazine piece on the society. If these people are so smart, why aren't they rich, or famous, or Nobel-prize winners, or simply more successful at something than they are?
The suggestion that many high-IQ people are losers is as old as IQ testing. Lewis Terman attempted to challenge it by organizing a famous study of 1,528 high-IQ children. He hoped to show that such kids were not the "freaks" that some thought and would prove to be natural leaders later in life. Eighty years later, Terman's study is still going on. His successors at Stanford have followed Terman's "whiz kids" throughout life and have vowed to continue until the last one drops dead.
The high-IQ subjects ranged from a pool cleaner and a convicted forger to doctors, lawyers, and the creator of TVs I Love Lucy (Jess Oppenheimer). Ironically, the young William Shockley was tested for Terman's study but didn't score high enough to make the cut Oh, well — none of those who did have won a Nobel prize.
I suppose the Mensa paradox says more about our society's overweening emphasis on intelligence than about high-IQ people themselves. From Lewis Terman to Bill Gates, people have been trying to drum into all of us the importance of intelligence. It's hard not to take some delight in seeing this credo subverted. "Mensa member mucks up," ran one recent headline in the London Independent. "A Mensa member who turned burglar was caught when he left a trail of muddy footprints to his own front door."
A 1968 study tried to use Terman's group to investigate why so many intelligent people aren't successes. Melita Oden, an associate of Terman's, identified the 100 "least successful" of Terman's now-aging prodigies and compared them to the 100 "most successful." Okay, "success" is even more subjective than "intelligence." Oden defined it the way that most prospective in-laws might: The successful ones were those who used their intellectual abilities in their jobs to achieve something of broadly recognized-value (developing a classic sitcom, say). The least successful were those whose jobs did not make use of the intellectual talent they possessed (like cleaning pools). Oden found no significant IQ differences between the successes and failures in this already high-IQ group. The distinguishing qualities were early parental encouragement and factors such as confidence and persistence.
This finding is hardly more than common sense. It nonetheless goes some way toward explaining the Mensa paradox. It suggests that motivational factors are something distinct from intelligence. You can have one, the other, both, or neither. The PowerPoint slide of this would be two overlapping circles (or really, two fuzzy overlapping circles). One circle represents the intelligent people. Another circle is the confident, persistent, motivated people. "Successful" people mostly fall in the area where the two circles overlap.
Метида писал(а):-Tom- писал(а):observer, ну бээмет 8) прямо, все умники ринутся и будут проходить экзамен и еще платит чтобы записатся в "элитный клуб самых интелектуальных", само это словосочетание уже многих развеселит, по крайне мере тех умников которых я знаю точно повеселит.
Пусть заработают ребята несколько сотен шекелей, может сайт исправят 8)
Том,
Интеллектуалам труднее находить себе друзей, потому что их мало.
Клуб интеллектуалов - хорошее место для возможности найти себе интересных собеседников.
Потому что для успеха в бизнесе нужны совсем другие качества. Жесткость. Безжалостность. Умение заводить нужные связи, умение давать взятки.
А интеллектуалы в большинстве своем люди порядочные, человечные.
Порядочность и бизнес - вещи плохо сочетающиеся.
Метида писал(а):Люди с очень высоким интеллектом часто жалуются, что окружающие их просто не понимают. К большинству членов Менсы это конечно же не относится, потому что IQ 148 не бог весть какой интеллект. Тем не менее всегда приятно пообщаться с интересными, культурными и воспитанными людьми, особенно когда их много сразу.
observer писал(а):Метида
Какие пракические цели, кроме общения, преследует ваша организация? Чем ещё, кроме общение, вы можете заинтересовать людей с высоким IQ?
P.S. Почему ваш форум закрыт для чтения незарегистрированных посетителей?
-Tom- писал(а):Порядочность и бизнес - вещи плохо сочетающиеся.
Странно, из моих наблюдений, а я в бизнессе давно, могу сказать что бизнес не чем не отличается от любой другой работы, везде встречаются жулики и проходимцы, главное дорожить своим именем, любить свою работу и делать ее хорошо, и вполне можно быть порядочным человеком и в должности работника и в должности хозяина бизнеса.
Onil писал(а):Метида писал(а):Люди с очень высоким интеллектом часто жалуются, что окружающие их просто не понимают. К большинству членов Менсы это конечно же не относится, потому что IQ 148 не бог весть какой интеллект. Тем не менее всегда приятно пообщаться с интересными, культурными и воспитанными людьми, особенно когда их много сразу.
и еще раз:
абсолютно никакой связи айкю с высоким интеллектом, интеллигентностью и уровнем культуры нет. если вы в клубе и этого не помимаете... ну... лучше без комментов.
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